hopefulgc
05-12 02:45 PM
We need to raise a million $. Anything less is seeming to just not cut it.
Look where we are now with our half-hearted efforts.
DOS says that EB3 would be retrogressed for the remaining part of the year. There was a time I used to believe that come year 2008, there is no way EB3 would be at 2001. I was wrong.
Today I think, there is no way the dates would be at 2002 come 2011.... but guess what.. its a definite possibility.
We need to do something substantial. We must equip IV with huge funds .. funds that will get us in bed with the right people.
--- here is what follows from an earlier post
Even though we have a very honest agenda at heart which at its very core aims to help America be more competitive in the global scene, apparently, we need to have the financial clout to be able to turn heads and thus have our voices heard.
Here is an idea: say we have roughly 500 members out of this vast array of 35000+ members who have the heart and the will to contribute. we get $2000 from each and place it in an escrow trust account that does not release money for expenditure unless we reach $1 mln
why? because the first 10 or 50 contributers are the most elemental in getting such a campaign off the ground and we need to give them a guarantee that its an ALL or NOTHING DEAL. If for some reason we stop at $10k because only 5 members contributed and no more are ready to contribute (unlikely), those 5 members can get their money back.
now is $2000 a huge amount?.. absolutely... but maybe we could tweak this amount or do some payback if we have more people stepping forward in excess of 500. and the amount of payback depends on how early your contributed to the campaign. The first 50 guys could even get a substantial part of their contribution back.
People, we gotta swing for the fences, the next time we go to play.
It has taken us some time to understand how the lobbying game is played.. but this time "Lets play to win"
We need to be a big fish.. a million $+ whale to be taken seriously.
Lastly, i'm just presenting an idea .. its not endorsed by IV core.. and I maybe overlooking some finer points of non-profit corporate taxation and finance.
funding drive is here: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18790
Brethren.... rise!
Look where we are now with our half-hearted efforts.
DOS says that EB3 would be retrogressed for the remaining part of the year. There was a time I used to believe that come year 2008, there is no way EB3 would be at 2001. I was wrong.
Today I think, there is no way the dates would be at 2002 come 2011.... but guess what.. its a definite possibility.
We need to do something substantial. We must equip IV with huge funds .. funds that will get us in bed with the right people.
--- here is what follows from an earlier post
Even though we have a very honest agenda at heart which at its very core aims to help America be more competitive in the global scene, apparently, we need to have the financial clout to be able to turn heads and thus have our voices heard.
Here is an idea: say we have roughly 500 members out of this vast array of 35000+ members who have the heart and the will to contribute. we get $2000 from each and place it in an escrow trust account that does not release money for expenditure unless we reach $1 mln
why? because the first 10 or 50 contributers are the most elemental in getting such a campaign off the ground and we need to give them a guarantee that its an ALL or NOTHING DEAL. If for some reason we stop at $10k because only 5 members contributed and no more are ready to contribute (unlikely), those 5 members can get their money back.
now is $2000 a huge amount?.. absolutely... but maybe we could tweak this amount or do some payback if we have more people stepping forward in excess of 500. and the amount of payback depends on how early your contributed to the campaign. The first 50 guys could even get a substantial part of their contribution back.
People, we gotta swing for the fences, the next time we go to play.
It has taken us some time to understand how the lobbying game is played.. but this time "Lets play to win"
We need to be a big fish.. a million $+ whale to be taken seriously.
Lastly, i'm just presenting an idea .. its not endorsed by IV core.. and I maybe overlooking some finer points of non-profit corporate taxation and finance.
funding drive is here: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18790
Brethren.... rise!
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meridiani.planum
11-21 01:47 AM
Meridiani.planum.... Thanks for your reply....
Is the GC under EB-2 that quick? I wonder why my attorney didn't try to FIT me on EB-2... I'll definitely research my 'fitting' options as an EB-2.... now, do you know if are there hidden issues on getting a GC as an EB-2 rather than an EB-3? Or, Is a GC the same regardless the employment-based category?
There the 3 stages to the GC: PERM, I-140, i-485. PERM takes 3-4 months on an average. I-140 takes 6-12, and I-485 taeks about 6-8. So in general getting the GC can take anywhere from 1 to 2 years. HOWEVER other than USCIS delays in processing, there are two BIG catches:
- I-485 security/name check : this is an FBI background check where some percentage of people get stuck for years. Most people clear this within a month, but some unfortunate few get screwed.
- RETROGRESSION: To get the I-485 approval your priority date (the day you have filed your PERM) needs to be "current". Each month the Department of State publishes a "Visa Bulletin" indicating what dates are current. The latest bulletin is here:
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_1360.html
Because of per-country quota's of visas, some countries are more backlogged than others. Actually only some countries have specific backlogs (India, china, mexico, philipinnes). Others are clubbed together into whats called Rest-Of-The-World (ROW) or "All Charge-ability Areas Except Those Listed".
As you can see in the bulletin for EB3-ROW they are currently assigning visa numbers to applications filed before September 2002. Meaning your 485 cannot be applied or approved until the date in the VB moves past your PERM filing date. EB2-ROW as you can see has a nice little "C" next to it. That means its "Current" meaning there is no backlog, meaning you can immediately file your 485, and if all goes well and 6 months later its still "C", you'll have your GC.
bottomline: for you moving from EB3 to EB2 changes your greencard processing time from say 7 years to 2 years.
Is the GC under EB-2 that quick? I wonder why my attorney didn't try to FIT me on EB-2... I'll definitely research my 'fitting' options as an EB-2.... now, do you know if are there hidden issues on getting a GC as an EB-2 rather than an EB-3? Or, Is a GC the same regardless the employment-based category?
There the 3 stages to the GC: PERM, I-140, i-485. PERM takes 3-4 months on an average. I-140 takes 6-12, and I-485 taeks about 6-8. So in general getting the GC can take anywhere from 1 to 2 years. HOWEVER other than USCIS delays in processing, there are two BIG catches:
- I-485 security/name check : this is an FBI background check where some percentage of people get stuck for years. Most people clear this within a month, but some unfortunate few get screwed.
- RETROGRESSION: To get the I-485 approval your priority date (the day you have filed your PERM) needs to be "current". Each month the Department of State publishes a "Visa Bulletin" indicating what dates are current. The latest bulletin is here:
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_1360.html
Because of per-country quota's of visas, some countries are more backlogged than others. Actually only some countries have specific backlogs (India, china, mexico, philipinnes). Others are clubbed together into whats called Rest-Of-The-World (ROW) or "All Charge-ability Areas Except Those Listed".
As you can see in the bulletin for EB3-ROW they are currently assigning visa numbers to applications filed before September 2002. Meaning your 485 cannot be applied or approved until the date in the VB moves past your PERM filing date. EB2-ROW as you can see has a nice little "C" next to it. That means its "Current" meaning there is no backlog, meaning you can immediately file your 485, and if all goes well and 6 months later its still "C", you'll have your GC.
bottomline: for you moving from EB3 to EB2 changes your greencard processing time from say 7 years to 2 years.
leoindiano
07-09 11:55 AM
Upgraded to premium processing on June 19th. No news so far....No update on uscis website whatsoever....
Anybody in same boaT?
Anybody in same boaT?
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talash
07-19 05:03 PM
Positive PPD just means u are exposed to TB is the past ans CXR confirms that u dont have active disease .Treatment in this case is only optional and patient has to decide if he or she wants to be treated for that .Only people with HIV of other immune def dieases must be treated for pos PPD.
they should not ask any further qquestions if CXR ws negative .
they should not ask any further qquestions if CXR ws negative .
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bluez25
07-15 01:41 PM
Clicked on Immigration visa's and then appointments and you can find all months schedule there.... where I found for August too..
gccube
04-21 12:39 PM
I got the Card Production Ordered e-mail today. No LUD even last night at 1 Am. Only one LUD today. My case is processed at Texas service center. And my receipt date is not with in their processing times.
Good luck to everyone.
Good luck to everyone.
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honge_kamyaab
11-15 11:45 AM
I got canadian greencard and running out of time to land there before my medical examination expires.
On top of this I don't have any visa left on my h-1b and there are no dates available at American embasies in Canada during Nov and Dec to get h-1b visa stamped.
Can I land in Canada and expect to return safe with no h-1b visa left. I am worried that my I-94 will be snatched at the border and not allowed to enter back into US.
Please share your experiences and suggest me the safe thing to do.
On top of this I don't have any visa left on my h-1b and there are no dates available at American embasies in Canada during Nov and Dec to get h-1b visa stamped.
Can I land in Canada and expect to return safe with no h-1b visa left. I am worried that my I-94 will be snatched at the border and not allowed to enter back into US.
Please share your experiences and suggest me the safe thing to do.
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perm2gc
12-22 06:08 PM
Efren Hernandez III, Director of the Business and Trade Services Branch at INS in Washington, D.C. announced in late December 2001 that the INS does not recognize or provide any "grace period" for maintaining status after employment termination. Mr. Hernandez explained this strict interpretation by reasoning that there is no difference between H1B holders and other non-immigrants, like students, to justify a stay in the U.S. beyond the explicit purpose of their admission. Mr. Hernandez admits that this may cause hardship to some terminated or laid off H1B workers, but believes that the INS position is legally justified.
Although the INS' strict interpretation of the law may have legal justification, the result to others seems harsh and unreasonable, considering the fact that the lay off or termination is completely beyond the control of the H1B worker. This strict INS position may also appear to be contrary to the purpose of allowing H1B workers admission to the U.S. since they helped to fill a critical need in our economy when the U.S. was suffering acute shortages of qualified, skilled workers. Perhaps, it would be more fair if the INS were to allow a reasonable grace period, perhaps 60 days, as mentioned in the June 19, 2001 INS Memo.
H1B workers should not be equated to other non-immigrants. For example, H1Bs can be distinguished from students. Students, in most cases, have exclusive control over whether they can maintain their status. Generally they determine whether they remain in school and satisfy the purpose of their admission to the U.S. If they choose not to remain in school, or they do not maintain certain passing grades or do not have sufficient funds, then they are no longer considered to be students maintaining their status and should return to their home countries. On the other hand, H1B workers enter the U.S. to engage in professional employment based on the needs of U.S. employers. They do not have exclusive control over whether they are laid off.
Although we are in a soft economy with massive employee cutbacks in a variety of fields, many of these H1B workers are able to find new employment within reasonable timeframes. Some companies, at least, are in need of these workers. Salaries have dropped in many cases and recruitment of workers from outside the U.S. has significantly slowed; but, to a large extent, the need for these existing workers remains. It would benefit U.S. companies and suit the purpose of the H1B visa program to allow a reasonable grace period for these laid-off H1B workers to seek new employment within a realistic time frame.
Adding to the woes of H1B workers, Mr. Hernandez addressed the issue of extensions of stay following brief status lapses. In short, the regulations require that an individual be in status at the time an extension of status is requested. Failure to maintain status will result in the H1B petition being granted, if appropriate, without an extension of stay. No I-94 card will be attached to the approval notice. Instead, the beneficiary will be directed to obtain a visa at a U.S. consulate in a foreign country and, only afterward, will return to lawful H1B status by re-entering the U.S. Although INS has a regulation that allows the Service to overlook brief lapses in status, extraordinary circumstances are required. Mr. Hernandez stated that even very short lapses in status are not justified in the context of terminated H1B workers, absent extraordinary circumstances.
Mr. Hernandez specifically negated the existence of a ten-day grace period following employment termination. There are ten-day grace periods allowed in three other instances. These are (a) the H1B worker can be admitted to the U.S. up to 10 days prior to the validity of his/her petition; (b) the H1B worker has a ten-day grace period following the expiration of the period of admission; and (c) in the case of denials of extensions, the H1B worker is given up to ten days to depart the U.S. Unfortunately, termination of employment is not covered by any of these exceptions. Some find it hard to see why a terminated H1B worker should be treated any differently from the H1B worker whose period of H1B admission has expired. There is far less warning and predictability in cases of layoffs or of other terminations.
Rumors are also circulating about a 30-day grace period should INS deny an H1B petition or extension of status and require the person to depart the U.S. There is also a 60-day time frame, proposed by the INS itself in the June 19, 2001 Memo, analyzing the American Competitiveness in the Twenty First Century Act (AC21). In this memo, the INS discussed the law allowing a person to be eligible for H1B extensions beyond 6 years if the person previously held either H1B status or had an H1B visa. The INS surmised that the law envisioned that one who previously held H1B status should be entitled, possibly up to 60 days, to the benefits of that section of AC21. Efren Hernandez clarified that none of these grace periods applies in the case of an H1B worker who is terminated or laid off
Although the INS' strict interpretation of the law may have legal justification, the result to others seems harsh and unreasonable, considering the fact that the lay off or termination is completely beyond the control of the H1B worker. This strict INS position may also appear to be contrary to the purpose of allowing H1B workers admission to the U.S. since they helped to fill a critical need in our economy when the U.S. was suffering acute shortages of qualified, skilled workers. Perhaps, it would be more fair if the INS were to allow a reasonable grace period, perhaps 60 days, as mentioned in the June 19, 2001 INS Memo.
H1B workers should not be equated to other non-immigrants. For example, H1Bs can be distinguished from students. Students, in most cases, have exclusive control over whether they can maintain their status. Generally they determine whether they remain in school and satisfy the purpose of their admission to the U.S. If they choose not to remain in school, or they do not maintain certain passing grades or do not have sufficient funds, then they are no longer considered to be students maintaining their status and should return to their home countries. On the other hand, H1B workers enter the U.S. to engage in professional employment based on the needs of U.S. employers. They do not have exclusive control over whether they are laid off.
Although we are in a soft economy with massive employee cutbacks in a variety of fields, many of these H1B workers are able to find new employment within reasonable timeframes. Some companies, at least, are in need of these workers. Salaries have dropped in many cases and recruitment of workers from outside the U.S. has significantly slowed; but, to a large extent, the need for these existing workers remains. It would benefit U.S. companies and suit the purpose of the H1B visa program to allow a reasonable grace period for these laid-off H1B workers to seek new employment within a realistic time frame.
Adding to the woes of H1B workers, Mr. Hernandez addressed the issue of extensions of stay following brief status lapses. In short, the regulations require that an individual be in status at the time an extension of status is requested. Failure to maintain status will result in the H1B petition being granted, if appropriate, without an extension of stay. No I-94 card will be attached to the approval notice. Instead, the beneficiary will be directed to obtain a visa at a U.S. consulate in a foreign country and, only afterward, will return to lawful H1B status by re-entering the U.S. Although INS has a regulation that allows the Service to overlook brief lapses in status, extraordinary circumstances are required. Mr. Hernandez stated that even very short lapses in status are not justified in the context of terminated H1B workers, absent extraordinary circumstances.
Mr. Hernandez specifically negated the existence of a ten-day grace period following employment termination. There are ten-day grace periods allowed in three other instances. These are (a) the H1B worker can be admitted to the U.S. up to 10 days prior to the validity of his/her petition; (b) the H1B worker has a ten-day grace period following the expiration of the period of admission; and (c) in the case of denials of extensions, the H1B worker is given up to ten days to depart the U.S. Unfortunately, termination of employment is not covered by any of these exceptions. Some find it hard to see why a terminated H1B worker should be treated any differently from the H1B worker whose period of H1B admission has expired. There is far less warning and predictability in cases of layoffs or of other terminations.
Rumors are also circulating about a 30-day grace period should INS deny an H1B petition or extension of status and require the person to depart the U.S. There is also a 60-day time frame, proposed by the INS itself in the June 19, 2001 Memo, analyzing the American Competitiveness in the Twenty First Century Act (AC21). In this memo, the INS discussed the law allowing a person to be eligible for H1B extensions beyond 6 years if the person previously held either H1B status or had an H1B visa. The INS surmised that the law envisioned that one who previously held H1B status should be entitled, possibly up to 60 days, to the benefits of that section of AC21. Efren Hernandez clarified that none of these grace periods applies in the case of an H1B worker who is terminated or laid off
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a1b2c3
06-16 12:27 AM
I think your best bet would be that your parents apply for visa alone. I believe this will improve their chances of getting visa and once they get the visa then your siblings can apply. Good luck!
I think so too. I think its good to ask the immigration officer why the visa is being denied.
I think its best your parents apply by themselves and leave your brothers out.
When they see so many family members travelling all together for an extended period of time, they smell something. They feel your entire family wants to be out of Indonesia and will apply for asylum.
Another thing to do is to ask for a short duration visa like a month or so. It might help.
And forget abt the elderly granddad. No one will buy all that. Make sure the reasons for coming back are rock solid.
Sorry to hear about this and wish you the best luck next time. Don't give up hope and ask your folks to schedule another appt without delay.
I think so too. I think its good to ask the immigration officer why the visa is being denied.
I think its best your parents apply by themselves and leave your brothers out.
When they see so many family members travelling all together for an extended period of time, they smell something. They feel your entire family wants to be out of Indonesia and will apply for asylum.
Another thing to do is to ask for a short duration visa like a month or so. It might help.
And forget abt the elderly granddad. No one will buy all that. Make sure the reasons for coming back are rock solid.
Sorry to hear about this and wish you the best luck next time. Don't give up hope and ask your folks to schedule another appt without delay.
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sunty
10-16 01:57 PM
I received my FP notice last friday and then another one on saturday..Both indicate same date/time location which is Newark USCIS
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EB3_SEP04
09-16 04:32 PM
It's time to tell CNN not to give a platform for racists.
Drop Dobbs: Halt the Hate (http://www.dropdobbs.com/)
Please sign the petition
Take Action (http://www.dropdobbs.com/take-action/)
"Drop Dobbs": CNN Pressured To Give Up Controversial Host (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/16/drop-dobbs-cnn-pressured_n_288506.html)
- JK
Don't worry, his viewership is something like 200k. considering 300 million population of the US, just think what %age of people watch him? i don't think his constant whining makes a diff. Americans are smart enough that these so called news anchors are nothing more than sales/marketing guys employed indrectly by the political parties.
People like Sean Hannity, rush linbaugh constantly bashed Obama (they still do), but how much diff does it make to the american people?
another comparison: people like Dobb and Hanitty make $8-10 million a year, whereas Howard Stern makes $100 million a year. If people took these jokers seriously they would worth much more.
Drop Dobbs: Halt the Hate (http://www.dropdobbs.com/)
Please sign the petition
Take Action (http://www.dropdobbs.com/take-action/)
"Drop Dobbs": CNN Pressured To Give Up Controversial Host (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/16/drop-dobbs-cnn-pressured_n_288506.html)
- JK
Don't worry, his viewership is something like 200k. considering 300 million population of the US, just think what %age of people watch him? i don't think his constant whining makes a diff. Americans are smart enough that these so called news anchors are nothing more than sales/marketing guys employed indrectly by the political parties.
People like Sean Hannity, rush linbaugh constantly bashed Obama (they still do), but how much diff does it make to the american people?
another comparison: people like Dobb and Hanitty make $8-10 million a year, whereas Howard Stern makes $100 million a year. If people took these jokers seriously they would worth much more.
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gcsucks
06-01 02:37 PM
I dont know about others but for me stuck with the same compay for 5 years. I really want to move on !!But it does increase the GC quota which will substantially hasten the process
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12-07 11:54 AM
EB1 is typically for Phds with solid publications behind their belts.
In some cases the individual can sponsor himself without an employer as such people are considered a good value add to the US. In other cases, an employer has to have a bonafide job opening requiring such skills (mostly professors, research, etc.,). These people are usually given their Green cards in ceremonies unlike EB2/EB3 where the card is mailed out in a USPS envelope.
There is also an easy way. In some companies in India, people with 5-6 years of experience are promoted to Project manager roles and have a group of people reporting to them. If this company transfers them to the US to continue the same role, they become eligible for EB1. So in a typical case,
complete education at age 22 and join company x as a software engineer
get promoted to Project manager at age 27 (5 years later)
come to the US at age 28 ( a year later)
apply for GC on EB1 (directly apply for 140/485 as there is no Labor required and also PDs are current)
get GC at age 29
you are all set...get married, buy the mini-van (Odyssey or Sienna), perhaps open a India/Pakistan grocery store on the side which rents out pirated DVDs of desi movies and enjoy life!
In some cases the individual can sponsor himself without an employer as such people are considered a good value add to the US. In other cases, an employer has to have a bonafide job opening requiring such skills (mostly professors, research, etc.,). These people are usually given their Green cards in ceremonies unlike EB2/EB3 where the card is mailed out in a USPS envelope.
There is also an easy way. In some companies in India, people with 5-6 years of experience are promoted to Project manager roles and have a group of people reporting to them. If this company transfers them to the US to continue the same role, they become eligible for EB1. So in a typical case,
complete education at age 22 and join company x as a software engineer
get promoted to Project manager at age 27 (5 years later)
come to the US at age 28 ( a year later)
apply for GC on EB1 (directly apply for 140/485 as there is no Labor required and also PDs are current)
get GC at age 29
you are all set...get married, buy the mini-van (Odyssey or Sienna), perhaps open a India/Pakistan grocery store on the side which rents out pirated DVDs of desi movies and enjoy life!
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roseball
05-01 12:30 PM
Usually, the I-485 application is considered abandoned and eventually denied if you dont show up for finger printing...
However, if your I-140 from the previous employer is approved, you can still use that to port your PD to your current petition...You might need a copy of the old I-140 approval to do so....
However, if your I-140 from the previous employer is approved, you can still use that to port your PD to your current petition...You might need a copy of the old I-140 approval to do so....
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redgreen
12-07 08:33 PM
actually you don't need even a degree to get EB1. if you have a nobel prize or pulitzer prize or olympics medal or equivalent you can apply and get eb1. (details are there in uscis website). phd and several published papers and patents are not sufficient for eb1.
Hi!
I have a question about wether a person with US Masters can qualify for EB1 category? Please comment.
I know generally people with such qualification fall into EB2 category. However, does years of expereience and say Patents qualify you to be considered as EB1?
Thanks for reading this thread and commenting.
Hi!
I have a question about wether a person with US Masters can qualify for EB1 category? Please comment.
I know generally people with such qualification fall into EB2 category. However, does years of expereience and say Patents qualify you to be considered as EB1?
Thanks for reading this thread and commenting.
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hydboy77
04-27 09:59 PM
a lot of people who applied during July 2007 are getting RFE on 485, I guess this because of pre processing but 99% of these people who are getting RFE are from NSC. I same only one or two people from TSC who got RFE. From this seems like NSC is pre processing but TSC is not.
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It appears that this 655K includes family based I485 cases too who are in a different queue.
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bigboy007
12-10 03:33 PM
Got the point thanks for all info. btw its the HR Department right which determines SOC ? How does it ensure Same/Similar SOC COde?
mailmy_gc
10-15 03:15 PM
Verify your G-325 application form properly especially the employment history you provided. My wife also got the similar RFE early this year due to technical error that we made in G325 form. (My wife applied for H1 but she did not worked through that company mean while she got her EAD then started working for another company, Which voided H1-B, In G-325 we mentioned that she was working from July 2007 but her H1 is valid from October so Officer might have thought that she worked illegally for 3 months) .
We provided w2's, pay stubs and amended G325 etc to prove that she did not worked on her H1 or illegally.
Hope this helps you.
We provided w2's, pay stubs and amended G325 etc to prove that she did not worked on her H1 or illegally.
Hope this helps you.
morphthecat
07-30 03:07 PM
how is the baby supposed to sponsor the parents ??
One option:
http://www.dayzadlaw.com/options.html ( I believe Rajiv Khanna and Murthy have clarified on this matter too):
Cancellation of Removal
Persons in removal proceedings, also known as deportation hearings, may apply in court for a special pardon to receive a green card and stay in the United States. For individuals who have never had a green card, the critical element is proving that you have a spouse, parent, or child who is a US citizen or permanent resident who would suffer extreme hardship if you were not allowed to stay the United States. You must also prove that you have lived in the United States for 10 years and have otherwise obeyed the laws.
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I believe it would be extremely difficult to be able to do the above though. Proving extreme hardship ain't going to be easy in court.
One option:
http://www.dayzadlaw.com/options.html ( I believe Rajiv Khanna and Murthy have clarified on this matter too):
Cancellation of Removal
Persons in removal proceedings, also known as deportation hearings, may apply in court for a special pardon to receive a green card and stay in the United States. For individuals who have never had a green card, the critical element is proving that you have a spouse, parent, or child who is a US citizen or permanent resident who would suffer extreme hardship if you were not allowed to stay the United States. You must also prove that you have lived in the United States for 10 years and have otherwise obeyed the laws.
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I believe it would be extremely difficult to be able to do the above though. Proving extreme hardship ain't going to be easy in court.
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